Comments on: Please pray and display Christ-like spirit in midst of our disagreement http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/ Official blog site of Nashville Episcopal Area UMC Bishop Bill McAlilly Fri, 01 Nov 2013 03:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ginny West Case http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1467 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:49:40 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1467 I am disappointed that Bishop McAllily wrote his letter condemning Bishop Talbert’s stand for justice. Once I was told that Bill McAllily was one of those who stood for justice. Some rules are unjust and must be broken for grace to prevail.

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By: Zach Ferguson http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1465 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:41:48 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1465 In 10 years, when the majority of people under the age of 40 have left the church, I hope that the leaders of the UMC that stood for injustice and hatred will realize what role they played in the decline. It is very sad, because we have been through this as a church in the past.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. reminded us, “The time is always right to do what is right.” The laws and rules are not always just or right, so sometimes it means that we have to stand against those rules and demand justice. 57 years ago when women finally were able to be ordained, as well as 47 years ago when African-American preachers were able to preach in an all white congregation. The time to do what was right in the church only came because those that were oppressed demanded that it be so. The leaders that opposed those changes because of the scriptures and the Book of Discipline were on the wrong side of history, and became part of the ugly stain on the quilt of the UMC that is our history.

Bishop Talbert understands the history, and the injustice that the UMC has committed against its members, and he personally was affected by those injustices. He should be applauded for his stance, while the Council of Bishops, Bishop McAlilly and Bishop Wallace-Padgett should reconsider their stance of hatred and complacency.

I would remind the church that Jesus spent most of his ministry with “the other”. Time and time we find Jesus at the gates of the cities in which he visited; a place that those outcast by society were found. He showed love, mercy, compassion, and concern to those people. Instead of focussing on the scriptures that promote hated and judgemental actions, we might need to refocus ourselves on the example of the ministry that Christ left for us.

It is no surprise that I support the full inclusion of the church–for marriage, ordination, and membership regardless of sex, age, race, gender, sexual orientation, social/economic class, ethnicity, or any other factor.

I served the church as a young adult missionary, but because leaders of the church continue to promote hatred and division in the church–I have decided to leave the UMC. A decision that breaks my heart, but I can no longer stand idly by while my brothers and sisters are discriminated against, and are judged because of how they are created. Love is beautiful, and should be celebrated by everyone no matter if it is between a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, or a man and a man.

It seems we fear what society has not accepted as the “norm”. When we began ordaining women as a church, or opened churches to be served by pastors of a different race or ethnicity, we were going against what society, and many in the church thought was the norm. Dr. Howard Thurman was exactly right when he said, “He who fears is literally delivered to destruction.”

Let us begin to not live in fear, but instead build a church and a world built around love and acceptance.

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By: Melba Mitchell http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1464 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:21:36 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1464 To be obedient to the word (the Bible) I don’t consider it to be discriminating. But we as people have got to decide will we follow Jesus all of the time or will we follow Him when it is convenient for us. Leviticus 18:22 makes it very clear about man and woman. I will continue to pray also. Love should be unconditional but the word of God will be the same yesterday, today and FOREVER more.

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By: Dorris Rowlett http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1463 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:16:25 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1463 What makes me sad is that all churches are going away from God’s word and teachings. What the bible says is the gospel not to be changed by humans. I hate it when people want to change the bible to support whatever they want to do. If my daughter or son was homosexual, would I love them less. No I would love them just the same, however that doesn’t make it morally right and I don’t think I should ignore what the bible says because of it. This is a perfect example of how the world is falling apart and going away from God. I pray every day that we will get back to God and obey his commandments and teachings. I will continue to pray for us all.

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By: Birgitte http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1461 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:18:46 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1461 What also makes me sad is that my kids who are both active young adults in the church are talking to me about leaving the Methodist church because they see their friends be discriminated against.

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By: Katherine Eskew http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 19:04:59 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1460 My prayers are with you and our church as we seek to reconcile our church, our book of discipline and our beliefs with God’s Holy word.

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By: Galen Colbert http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1459 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:14:04 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1459 The Bishop’s statement is disappointing, yet I understand it. The rules are the rules, the company line has to be upheld, and he couldn’t say anything else (but perhaps one could ask “why say anything?”). I’m a gay methodist, very active in my church, and legally married to my partner of 17 years…I’m one of the guys Jerry Whitt referred to in his post above. I applaud Bishop Talbert for forcing the issue. My spouse and I are currently evaluating whether we want to remain members of the UMC. It has nothing to do with our local congregation, who have been accepting and who we consider as members of our family. We love them dearly, and I hope they feel the same way about us. It’s much bigger than that. Bottom Line: why should we continue to support a denomination with our time, talent, gifts, service and TRUST when said denomination officially considers us “the other”? This is the decision we’re struggling with, and it’s heart-breaking.

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By: Ann http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1458 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 03:10:28 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1458 Apparently, many Methodist seem to ignore what the Bible says concerning homosexuality. I don’t view the Bible as out dated. I suspect the demise of the Methodist church will come soon enough when the practice of marrying same sex couples is viewed as the proper thing to do.

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By: Anita jensen http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1457 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:48:27 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1457 It is time that the book of discipline of the united Methodist church change its opinion on such matters. I support the bishop for conducting this ceremony as the greatest commandment is to love one another. We cannot do this as long as we support such out-dated ideas. It is no wonder so many people, especially the younger generation oppose organized religion. Until the church can move forward to a position that “all are welcome”, we encourage this negative attitude among our population.

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By: Melissa http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/2013/10/24/please-pray-and-display-christ-like-spirit-in-midst-of-our-disagreement/comment-page-1/#comment-1455 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:08:01 +0000 http://bishopbillmcalilly.com/?p=809#comment-1455 Amen, Jerry I agree.

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